Foul Language?

 
twilyght
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Re:Foul Language?

[Post New]by twilyght on Apr 17, 09 2:57 PM
WhipFish wrote:Again explicit language and denigration of women aren't the same thing. And if anyone thinks that isn't denigrating to women then you must have either not been born, or had your head under a rock during the Women's Movement.


Please read my post again. The comment was not made to be derogatory to the woman in question. Infact, she is referred to by several different characters as 'beautiful.' The comment the character made was regarding his fat eighty-two year old perverted grandfathers desire to have sex with a beautiful twenty two year old woman... which in my own personal opionion borders on pedophilia (sixty years age difference, yuck!). Whether she is mute or not is irrelivant to the comment and the only derogatory comments about her disability are a couple comments about her possibly faking her disability to make her seem stupider than she is so she can get away with killing the old man.

Please understand, I am not flaming you or your opinion, I am just clarifying and correcting your point. Perhaps you are not playing with the subtitles on. If you were then you could clearly see the text as the character speaks it '... the old man was really revolting to wanting to **** this girl.' As I read it, it clearly refers to the old mans desire of wanting Baina, not Baina being disgusting.

As for the issue of objectifying women... I don't disagree with you there, but they actually do that repeatedly in this game without using the f word... which is what your complaint was about.

 
Misty40
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Foul Language?

[Post New]by Misty40 on Apr 19, 09 1:33 PM
WhipFish wrote:Am I the only person outraged that the "F" word is used in a derrogatory remark about a woman in this game???? I frankly am so appalled that Big Fish would put any game out here with both foul language, and a lack of moral perspective when talking about a woman!!
YIKES!


I was so curious about this "F" word that I just had to buy the game...LOL. Other than that, it seems to have a good storyline.

 
MamaNkid
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Re:Foul Language?

[Post New]by MamaNkid on Apr 30, 09 4:58 PM
WhipFish wrote:Well gee....Big Fish with all its childlike cartooney graphics for the site itself, gives me the impression it is a cutesy site for families and children. I am a fairly new game player of about a year, yet look to other sites to find more complex or "mature" games, not X rated. It is because it is on this site that I was so shocked.


Wal-Mart plasters smiley faces everywhere in the store, but you can still buy a copy of Hostel there, just across from the Disney Channel DVDs. Big Fish Games is a media store; potentially offensive material can be found in any media store, no matter how inviting it may look. Research everything before you buy it.

DoobieBear wrote:I agree with WhipFish. There's no rhyme or reason for language such as this being in games without there being a rating system.


There is a rating system, but someone who shops only at Big Fish wouldn't know it. I do agree that the disclaimers on certain games aren't quite enough, so it would be nice if BFG included games' ESRB ratings on their respective pages... Off the top of my hat, Sinking Island, Dracula: Origin, Dracula 3, and all three Agatha Christie adventure games are rated Teen (13+) by the ESRB, and The Awakened is Mature (17+).

DoobieBear wrote:Considering that BigFishGames yanked Dangerous High School Girls for a particularly offensive scene directed at women......I would wonder why this one is allowed to stay.


Your description of the scene is completely incorrect. The scene in DHSGiT that caused so much controversy was not an "offensive scene directed at women." In the scene in question, the player saves a fellow classmate from being raped. How is a scene that portrays women defending themselves from male oppression an attack on women?

WhipFish wrote:Good gosh it is also surprising at the amount of flaming just because people express an opinion. I did not tell Big Fish to take this off their site, I expressed my shock and concern. That is called an OPINION.


I'm not flaming you. I'm simply expressing my opinion that you're blowing the issue out of proportion. You seem to be acting like the moral message of the game is "down with women's rights" based solely on a comment from one character. If you provided more examples as to why the game, as opposed to the character, is sexist, then I would be inclined to agree with you about its place on this site; I positively detest media that has the sole purpose of spreading hatred.

 
Brandyco
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Re:Foul Language?

[Post New]by Brandyco on May 8, 09 5:46 PM
I'm a lot less offended by foul language in Sinking Island than the demon worship, torture and blood in Dracula Origin. If any game should have warnings, that one should. I'm really surprised there hasn't been any complaints on the forums about this game. Is it because Dracula is a known storyline? I guess I hear foul language all the time on TV, in the grocery store etc... but I don't see people strung up to be whipped and bled to death. I had to stop playing after that point in the game. I wish it had a warning like Dracula, Path of the Dragon, did so those of us who would rather not play that type of game could be forewarned. I don't think a warning or a rating constitutes censorship.

Edited on 05/08/2009 at 6:50:54 PM PST


 
phatkhat
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Re:Foul Language?

[Post New]by phatkhat on May 8, 09 6:37 PM
"Here we go again."

Okay, art imitates life, and vice versa. I guess that includes games with a story. Now, much as I like low stress games like "Puzzle Park" or playing "Poppit" at Pogo, I ALSO enjoy adult-themed games, and I resent the idea that there are people who want to censor my gaming pleasure. READ the description, and if it sounds like it is too "dark" for you, then pass on it. But leave it alone for those who want to play it like it is. (BTW, I am an old school, 60's feminist, but I do not object to literary/artistic portrayals of life as it actually is.)

Now if you got a game you didn't like, BFG will give you a coupon for a different one. But if you have been loudly protesting the content to them, and can't believe they actually have a game like that on their site, you are agitating for censorship, no matter how much you deny it. And sure, you are welcome to your opinion, but I'm welcome to mine, too.

I guess the game had good reviews, and since I have some credits to burn, and I was thinking about it anyway, I'll go ahead and get it before it is "sanitized", LOL. Here's my tokie, and thanks for the game!

Edited on 05/08/2009 at 6:38:16 PM PST


 

Foul Language?

[Post New]by downeastcajun on Jun 1, 09 3:52 AM
I am a feminist with a slight difference ... i believe that women make mistakes & errors in judgment and need to be called on them, same as men.
That being said, for all the folks complaining about the "foul language" in the game ... wake up ... get a life. People talk that way in real life, and anyway, you WERE warned. If you have a low threshhold for real life language, you should have HEEDED that warning and NOT gotten the game.
sheesh.

 
mark1962
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Re:Foul Language?

[Post New]by mark1962 on Dec 21, 09 1:23 PM
WhipFish
You complain about a deterlmental comment towards women BUT there are millions of harsh things said about men in these games and NOT a peep out of you!!!
Men are portrayed as Scum, killers, rapists and thugs in the games on this site and where is your outrage then???
You and the other hypocrites who are offended have to get a grip for god sake, IT IS A GAME!!! If you do not like it DON"T play it!!
I have looked at the postings you have made about this game and your outrage has been noted.
Do you have a disorder where you have to be the center of attention??????
You have to grow up and realize that just because you don't like something it will not dissappear. If that were true, you would just be a faded memory!

 
Mr_Russ
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Re:Foul Language?

[Post New]by Mr_Russ on Jan 11, 10 8:43 AM
What is slightly odd is that the PEGI rating for this game is 12+. I would have expected it to be higher (teen or M) because of the language.

There is an external website for this game which shows its rating at the bottom.

ETA Its American rating is T.

Edited on 01/17/2010 at 8:53:31 AM PST


 
Mr_Russ
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Re:Foul Language?

[Post New]by Mr_Russ on Jan 14, 10 11:28 AM
Having finished the game, it seems even more odd that there's one use of the F word and nothing even similar throughout the game. On that basis I don't see the point of any swearing at all.

I will note that the context is understandable - it's used about someone, not at someone. It's just not representative of the language everywhere else.

 
polexia
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Re:Foul Language?

[Post New]by polexia on Feb 18, 10 9:37 PM
People act like censorship is worse than murder these days. Not all censoring is baaaad. Obviously we all have our own thresholds and there's got to be something most civilized folks would agree should be censored (pedophilia stuff for example). So some people are more sensitive to the F bomb, why have a fit over it? They can ask/demand that a game be removed from a site and that doesn't bother me. It's gonna be BFG's decision, anyway so if they remove something they're the ones to blame since they are the ones with the POWER to do so, NOT the person complaining.

God forbid we put responsibility on the shoulders of BFG who chose to offer this game.

It does seem a bit odd though that with all the demographics on female casual gamers and how BFG is one of the top (if not the top) sites for female gamers over 30 assumed to basically have kids and a hubby that some of their games have such dark stuff in them or cussing.

Maybe if they didn't try to come off as so bubblegum most of the time it would be palatable. I am seeing what the OP was talking about regarding the goofy look and style of the site -- it is kind of deceptive.

I've been told to get a life/it's only a game when I pointed out that one game made sexist comments about females so obviously some females really aren't very sensitive to sexist stuff and they're more than ready to attack anyone who doesn't think like they do. If it's "only a game" then what is everyone doing here pretending to be "fishies" in a "pond" and all that garbage?

 

Re:Foul Language?

[Post New]by mrbigsingsblues on Apr 28, 10 2:48 PM
The explicit language warning is clearly visible at the beginning of the offer screen. If you are "shocked" at this sort of thing, don't buy it!

I like the realistic feel that the language imparts.

It goes a little way to ameliorate the fact that the character's mouths do not move when they speak, which makes it look more like an episode of "Thunderbirds"!

To each his own

Edited on 04/28/2010 at 3:44:45 PM PST


 

Re:Foul Language?

[Post New]by lampshadeburgler on Nov 5, 10 6:33 PM
For what it's worth, my opinion is that if you don't want games with "foul language". you shouldn't buy a game that has a warning in bright red font that says warning: explicit language.

I would hope that if one is allowing one's children to download games -or any other content from a website, that one would be supervising the choices that the child is making... and notice the big red letters warning of the "explicit language".

As a 30+ year old, I must say that while I don't find coarse language or scenarios to be necessary, and while I have enjoyed many "child friendly" games from BFG, I often find those games to be too simplistic or moralistic to be truly satisfying.

Sinking Island (a game I wish I hadn't bought only because it is so BORING) is, after all a murder mystery. Is murder really appropriate subject matter for a child?

It's up to parents to monitor and approve or not approve what they're comfortable with their child viewing or taking part in.

As for censorship I feel it is all baaaaaad, polexia. Certainly there are words,subjects and opinions that I wish people wouldn't have or share, and words, subjects and opinions that I find truly repulsive and horrifying. Alas, everyone is different and some people might find opinions, points of view, moral standings that you and I -even a majority of people may share- repugnant. Even in the case that those folks are a minority, should they not ask that we be censored? How would we feel if that were to happen?
If you find something to be offensive, you should state your objection and reasons for your objection, for sure. You also have the right to avoid it- turn off the TV, boycott the newspaper, don't buy the game... but no one has the right to deny someone else's opinion or experience- or their right to express the same.

sorry for going off.
-LSB


Censorship feeds the dirty mind more than the four-letter word itself. ~**** Cavett

 

Re:Foul Language?

[Post New]by lampshadeburgler on Nov 5, 10 6:39 PM
...are you kidding me!?! the man to whom the above quote was attributed has the name D-i-c-k-... as in RICHARD!

 
asierrahiker
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Re:Foul Language?

[Post New]by asierrahiker on Nov 12, 10 8:42 AM
I just have to add that children's books aren't quite as sanitized as one might think these days. I mistakenly bought a novel online that as I read it was obviously aimed at children (based on print size, the main character being about 12 years old and the simplicity of the storytelling style) and but it has several swear words in it including the "F-word", most or all either spoken or thought by the child. I was quite surprised to see that content in a book aimed at children. Standards have apparently shifted while we weren't looking. No ratings, warnings or age suggestions to be seen anywhere.

I have not played Sinking Island yet. I just noticed it is the featured game today and I'm here to check it out and saw this thread. My feeling is that I would not be offended by this game after reading the comments of others.

I just felt the need to chime in and say that even some children's content might shock people.

 

Re:Foul Language?

[Post New]by greeneyes488 on Feb 26, 11 8:13 AM
Man!! Is this place for playing games or blowing off steam?,,,Seems some people just look for something to pick at!

 
sphinx46
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Re:Foul Language?

[Post New]by sphinx46 on Jul 29, 11 6:32 PM
You all need to get over it. If your kid is old enough to play a game such as this one, and you allow it ,what gives you the idea your angel has never heard the "F" word in school or while in play I'm sure that to play and understand this game he/she has to be at least ten years old. Unless your angel is incapable of hearing your angel knows what the "F" word is. This is 2011 not 1911.
"AND OF COURSE THATS MY OPINION "
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WickedGirl
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Re:Foul Language?

[Post New]by WickedGirl on Aug 14, 11 6:52 PM
All censorship IS bad. Sorry. No two ways around it.

 
Branes
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Re:Foul Language?

[Post New]by Branes on Mar 11, 12 11:10 AM
Agreed, Sphinx, 100%. Grow up, people! This isn't Sesame Street! And your poor little darlings aren't going to be destroyed because they happen to read an F word in a freaking pc game. Ever hear of Grand Theft Auto?

And here's the real kicker. You don't mind your little darlings seeing digital pictures of men with blood all over their faces and bullet holes in their head, but one profane word sends you screaming for the censors!!! What a bunch of stupid, ignorant hypocrites!! If you're so damn worried about your kids' education, then spend those precious moments writing your Congressman or Senator and tell them to authorize some money to improve our schools instead of wasting breath condemning what is obviously an adult game. News Flash!! There is a bright red warning on the game...

Explicit Language!!! That means, if this offends you, don't f***cing buy it~!!!
I am sick to death of synchophants who think it's their God given duty to protect the rest of us from what they don't like!!! And I wouldn't worry about your children hearing the F word, they're too busy watching it on porn sites when your back is turned.

i spoke out publicly in the 90's about allowing children access to computers on a TV show I had in Boston. I warned people that it would do nothing but create an epidemic of viruses, trojans, and teenage based porn. But my viewers said I was trying to stifle creativity, and was anti-progress. And now we have to have multiple protections on our PC's..anti-virus, trojan hunters, and firewalls. And ever they sometimes fail to catch every piece of malicious garbage thrown at us every second we're online. In the meantime, Steve Jobs and Bill Gates had done as much as they could to place computers on every child's desk and to create a 24hr information superhighway.

Now, they can't do any work without them, and our children can't add two numbers in their heads without a calculator. We've had to dumb down the SAT's to accommodate our dumber students. From what I've seen, nobody over the age of 12 can spell 5 or 6 letter words correctly anymore, and they have no concept whatsoever of proper grammar. And you're worried that they are going to get corrupted by hearing an F word in a PC game?

You'd do better to worry that your children are going to graduate from high school functionally illiterate!!





 
tweetis53
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Re:Foul Language?

[Post New]by tweetis53 on Aug 17, 12 9:54 AM
KenneyG wrote:I was upset also. Someone had to know it was in there. I saw no warning about language. I would not have bought this ga
me, had I known.


HI
PLEASE READ ALL THE INFO ABOOT GAMES AS AT THE TOP IN RED LETTERS SHOWS EXPLIXIC GRAPHICS, LANQAUGE ETC ETC BEFORE YOU BUY ANY GAMES. HOPE THIS HELPS YOU NEXT TIME YOU WANT TO BUY A GAME.

 
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Re:Foul Language?

[Post New]by tweetis53 on Aug 28, 12 6:57 AM
WhipFish wrote:When he goes up the stairs and talks to Billy I think his name is, at the piano.... it is one thing to insert the word as an expletive like as in "F**K this or that...but to say "I wouldn't F**K that (woman or girl)...in regards to the deaf mute woman on the beach.... is highly offensive. There isn't a warning on the planet for that (such as "this may be highly offensive and denigrating to women"

nor should there BE a place for that in a game as games are touted as TEACHING CHILDREN!


HI YES THIS GAME HAS SOME FOUL GAME HOWEVER, THIS GAME IS NOT MENT FOR CHILDREN IT'Z A ADULT GAME N YOU HAVE HAVE TO BE A LITTLE OPEN MINDED ABOOT LANQAUAGE AN NOT GET TOO AFFENDED. I PLAY GAME N WORDS DON'T BOTHER ME I JUST OVERLOKK THE WORDS

 
 
 
 
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