Expedition Advice

 
kdsmith5cs16
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Expedition Advice

[Post New]by kdsmith5cs16 on Nov 26, 14 4:18 PM
Every time we have a new offer that has an expedition attached, everyone keeps noting that they see a bunch of expeditions failing and then we all comment on why and things that those people should be doing differently. And then that offer goes away and people stop looking at the thread and when the next offer with an expedition comes around, the same thing happens again. And we make the same comments that were on the previous thread all over again.

I am suggesting that we make a dedicated thread for only expedition advice. That way, people who keep having these problems offer after offer don't disregard the posts in old offer threads that would be just as useful to them in a new one. I also think that these people who continually have difficulties and whose expeditions fail should not be written off as "not worth helping" by their neighbors (as they often are). They should be shown the error of their ways, shown how to rehabilitate their expedition strategy and their image to their neighbors, and then forgiven for past failures and helped. Otherwise, they fail once and since everyone thinks that means they can't be trusted to look after their expeditions, all their neighbors refuse to help and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. How are they ever going to prove they can succeed if no one gives them a second chance?

Anyway, if you keep seeing expeditions fail and would like to provide general advice, please contribute to the thread.

 
achumannfaery
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Re:Expedition Advice

[Post New]by achumannfaery on Nov 26, 14 4:47 PM
There are four different chests available for expeditions.

1) Reward for organization-- automatically goes to the person "hosting" the expedition

2) Award for Generosity-- goes to the most generous participant

3) Award for Good luck-- goes to the last to feed the dragon

4) Award for participation-- Goes to the top 10 participants

Only 20 participants per expedition. Can be located under the organizer. You should see X/20, X representing how many current participants are in the expedition. You only become a participant after once feeding the dragon.



The controversy lies in the following examples:

1. Say you open a 6000 satiety dragon and feed it 3005 of food. You automatically get three of the chests. Others may not want to help as there will not be any reward for them.

2) You contribute a 5 or 15 to an expedition requiring 20,000 or more to satisfy the dragon. When three people do that, only seventeen spots are available requiring the others to bear a significant burden helping that neighbor.


Suggestions:

Start your expedition, feed your dragon 8-15% but leave some of your available feedings open in case you have to close it out yourself. This shows you are serious about your expedition without "hogging" all of the riches. It will more likely receive help.

Monitor your expedition. If time is drawing near, submit a "help feed my dragon" post. http://forums.bigfishgames.com/posts/list/276881.page

Finish feeding your dragon if necessary.

(copied and edited from a previous thread regarding this topic)

Edited on 11/26/2014 at 4:50:22 PM PST


 
achumannfaery
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Re:Expedition Advice

[Post New]by achumannfaery on Nov 26, 14 5:04 PM
Take your time exploring the Valley. You have 12 hours to explore a room once it is opened. No need to rush. Many rooms will need to be explored multiple times as you follow the Guild quests. Exploring a room that's opened until you reach master expert will save a lot of frustration later. You can also receive artifact items that are not tasked for gear to don in duels. Even if you don't participate in duels these items are still great to collect and assemble for the gold and experience if nothing else.

Try not to overload your neighbors with too many expeditions in a day. Often times food is sparse and you may find that in your hurry you have been left out in the cold to finish the expedition yourself.

 
makikiki
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Re:Expedition Advice

[Post New]by makikiki on Nov 26, 14 5:27 PM
Thank you all so much for this information. I always intend to go to the Wiki and look things up but, after I take care of everything else, I just don't have the time or I'm so tired I know I wouldn't really understand it. So it's great to have it here in one convenient thread.

I also want to say that you are all extraordinarily good at explaining complicated information clearly and concisely (not just here but in all the threads). Surprisingly, few people can do that. One thing I really value about this community is the level of intelligence, maturity and communications skills!

Edited on 11/26/2014 at 5:28:57 PM PST


 
Marjasinstar
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Expedition Advice

[Post New]by Marjasinstar on Nov 26, 14 6:38 PM
kdsmith5cs16 wrote:]I am suggesting that we make a dedicated thread for only expedition advice. That way, people who keep having these problems offer after offer don't disregard the posts in old offer threads that would be just as useful to them in a new one.
A good idea. Unfortunately, unless someone posts on this thread every day, it will disappear to page 2 and further back and not be seen by those who need to see it. By posting about expeditions in the current offer's post, it is more likely to be seen by those who need to see it.

 
achumannfaery
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Re:Expedition Advice

[Post New]by achumannfaery on Nov 26, 14 6:39 PM
Unless a mod were to add it to the helpful tips sticky

 
Marjasinstar
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Re:Expedition Advice

[Post New]by Marjasinstar on Nov 27, 14 10:39 AM
I posted this in the Alien Invasion thread. I am reposting it here for posteriety.
Marjasinstar wrote:I have seen easily 12 expeditions fail in the past 18 hours. That's a lot. Most of them are neighbors of mine who are either fairly new or who are old but don't seem to level up too quickly. Some had no one helping them but me. My best advice to all with failed expeditions is the following:

1. Get more neighbors. Dump those that never help and get more who are helpful.

2. Don't hold an expedition until you have enough gems to pay for any food you might have to purchase. You can do the Mayan Runes every 5 hours which gives you 5 gems. Since the offer is 6 days in length, that gives you plenty of time to gather up gems. In the mean time, you can explore rooms and that, in turn, will give you some of the food you need.

3. Hold the expedition at a time when you know you have a lot of neighbors around.

4. Ask for help. Post here on the forums and/or write neighbors to ask for help.

5. Put about 10% of the food needed on at the start so that you give neighbors incentive to help you. Most people want a chance at the generous chest. So don't put so much food on at the start or people might interpret that as being greedy and pass on your expedition. Don't put too little food on either. That might be interpreted as you not being serious about the expedition or that you are expecting your neighbors to feed your dragon. You want to show you are serious about finishing the dragon. There is only so much food out there. So if a neighbor thinks you might not be serious about the expedition, they might decide to give their food to a person more worthy. You can always add food later, if needed. And, at the end, if no one else steps up, you definitely should provide as much food as needed to finish the expedition.

6. Don't hold an expedition unless you have the time to open the room and explore. Again, a neighbor might pass on your expedition if they see you holding one for the same offer more than once.

7. Be a good neighbor. If I have to decide between who to help, I will first help that neighbor who has helped me in the past.

Bottom line. Food is scarce. In fact, some players pay for food with gems, just so they can help their neighbors. So, be respectful of your neighbors' time and money. In the end, it is your responsibility to feed your dragon. This game is geared so that people will help out their neighbors. But, no one HAS to help.

 
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Re:Expedition Advice

[Post New]by Marjasinstar on Jan 22, 15 8:46 PM
Felt this might be a nice topic to revive at this time. Feel free to add discussion to it so it stays alive.

 
SunFlash
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Re:Expedition Advice

[Post New]by SunFlash on Feb 19, 15 12:19 AM
Some of my neighbors who are new players are starting to hold expeditions and I wanted them to be able to find this thread so they can get some good advice. It was already on page 5 so I'm bumping it up.

 
Evalm
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Re:Expedition Advice

[Post New]by Evalm on Feb 19, 15 12:49 AM
I remember as a new player reading the advice from Marj about only putting 10% or being perceived as 'greedy', it was very good advice and has always paid off, I never saw it like that prior to reading her posts, I always thought I was doing the best I could and only asking for a very little help but she is right

 

Re:Expedition Advice

[Post New]by Lisa_Coarcaazco on Feb 19, 15 12:56 AM
I've noticed I have a handful of neighbors, some quite high level, who just run one expedition after another - try, fail, try, fail - during offers. I assume they keep trying until they succeed, but what a terrible strategy! I will still contribute to their expeditions, but only if it looks likely they might succeed this time (even then, I still had one fail on this round), and only if there's not another neighbor running the same expedition at the same time. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks that way, so like kdsmith says, it becomes a self-fulling prophesy. Marjasinstar's advice is excellent. Anyone who has gotten to the point in the game where they can complete the Mayan Runes board three times a day can quickly collect enough crystals to buy dragon food. The best part is that if you don't let your expeditions fail, you will find that you almost never need purchased food for your own expeditions, which allows you to pay it forward. So, ask for help, buy expedition food, and DON'T LET YOUR EXPEDITIONS FAIL!

Edited to add: If you have an expedition fail for whatever reason, consider sending or posting an apology to those that contributed. Then, when you start another expedition, send a request to the same neighbors for help and assure them that you have the resources to make sure the expedition will succeed. If you've had an ongoing history of failed expeditions, consider contacting at least some of your neighbors when you start your next expedition to ask for help. Make sure to explain that you are reforming your ways and will not be letting expeditions fail going forward.

Edited on 02/19/2015 at 1:16:20 AM PST


 
Marjasinstar
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Re:Expedition Advice

[Post New]by Marjasinstar on Feb 19, 15 11:33 AM
SunFlash wrote:Some of my neighbors who are new players are starting to hold expeditions and I wanted them to be able to find this thread so they can get some good advice. It was already on page 5 so I'm bumping it up.


How funny, I was just going to repost this. Several of my neighbors held failed expedition after failed expedition last night. Thanks for saving me the trouble, Sunflash.

Excellent advice, Lisa. And hey, thanks everyone for the kind words, but I must confess that I am only passing on information that others passed onto me when I first started playing. People who are no longer around who made such great sense that I wrote it all down for future reference.

Edited on 02/19/2015 at 11:36:21 AM PST


 
Marjasinstar
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Re:Expedition Advice

[Post New]by Marjasinstar on Feb 19, 15 1:25 PM
Something Lisa said is very very important and should be added to that list above:

Don't let your expedition fail. That is the biggest thing that will cause people to shy away from helping you the next time. If it does fail, write those who helped and promise that it will succeed the next time you hold one, even if it means you pay for your own gems. Believe or not, people remember those who fail at expeditions. Especially those people who seem to hold a expedition, watch it fail, then immediately after, hold another one just to watch it fail again. I will be hesitant to help them again unless I see that the expedition has a chance of succeeding. I'm more understanding of the player who may have had one fail, but asked for help and didn't get enough, is new to expeditions, or wrote to explain what happened.

Edited on 02/20/2015 at 12:16:02 PM PST


 

Re:Expedition Advice

[Post New]by starmagicgreen on Feb 19, 15 6:24 PM
I'd like to offer this bit of advice to current and future players that may feel a little "gun-shy" after reading so many opinions about failure to complete.

First of all, you don't know really when first organizing if you can complete the expedition and you're hoping someone will bail you out or maybe win you over.


Your only support are "unknown" neighbors. In time they will become known. Exchanges of gifts is our only real means of getting to "know" someone, in very incognito fashion.

With that said, don't kick a gift horse in the mouth. Use the food, the money they spent, the time they took to feed your expedition and honor that trust with a successfully completed one.

And if at first you don't succeed, try, try again.



 

Re:Expedition Advice

[Post New]by Lisa_Coarcaazco on Feb 19, 15 10:42 PM
starmagicgreen wrote:I'd like to offer this bit of advice to current and future players that may feel a little "gun-shy" after reading so many opinions about failure to complete.

First of all, you don't know really when first organizing if you can complete the expedition and you're hoping someone will bail you out or maybe win you over.


Your only support are "unknown" neighbors. In time they will become known. Exchanges of gifts is our only real means of getting to "know" someone, in very incognito fashion.

With that said, don't kick a gift horse in the mouth. Use the food, the money they spent, the time they took to feed your expedition and honor that trust with a successfully completed one.

And if at first you don't succeed, try, try again.


I certainly hope no one gets too frightened by the expedition failure threads. My first side quest expedition failed, and I lived to tell the tale. I did not have enough high level food and not enough clicks to use lower level food to complete the quest, did not know that I could reasonably buy expedition food, and waited too long to ask for help in the forum. I was horrified and sent apologies to those who had contributed and made the decision that it would never happen again. So my expedition advice is 1) start slow with low level guild expeditions which are unlikely to fail, 2) don't do a side quest expedition or higher level guild expedition until you have the neighbors and resources to ensure it won't fail and 3) if you get in over your head, ask for help on the forums, but don't wait until you have almost no time left. As a side benefit, I acquired some of my best neighbors when I asked for expedition help.

 
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Re:Expedition Advice

[Post New]by tramserran on Feb 20, 15 12:43 PM
I am a newbie (only been playing about 3 weeks). I have been joining expeditions and contributing between 1,000 and 2,000 points. One was doomed to fail as it had only 26 minutes left and needed 9,000 points so I used my gems to purchase the 1k food and completed it. I was tired of seeing expeditions fail but probably won't contribute so much again.
I organized my first expedition a few days ago. It was for the Weekly Special so it needed 15,000 points and only had one hour or so to be fed. I put in 10,000 points because I wanted my neighbors to believe that it would succeed so they would join the expedition. Then I messaged all of my neighbors asking them to refresh and please join my expedition. One of the neighbors replied back saying they couldn't find it and asked if I hit the Invite Neighbors button. OOPS! Didn't know I had to do that. Good information to know (LOL). I have such wonderful neighbors that it was fed in 10 minutes (after hitting the right button)!
Afterward, I received a couple of reply messages suggesting that I read the forum on expeditions. Thank goodness for my neighbors! Now I realize that I put in too much to start (and it could be considered as being greedy). I should have started with 2,000 and then waited until the end of the expedition to see if I needed to put in more.
I have been trying to do only one expedition a day so I don't burden my neighbors. I'm not sure if more expeditions are needed but will find out as more rooms and gates are opened. For the first two expeditions, I messaged all of my neighbors. For the third expedition, I only messaged the top ten and bottom ten of my neighbors. Somewhere I read that there is a thread to post when someone is starting an expedition and/or needs help at the last minute. Newbies don't know where that is! I found it once but it only had a post from June - nothing recent.
Just an FYI...I don't generally jump to the Community page unless I am looking for something specifically. I'm not sure about others but perhaps a thread about expedition help isn't the best way to get help from your neighbors?
Thank You to all of my neighbors for making my journey on RoM so fabulous!

 
SunFlash
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Re:Expedition Advice

[Post New]by SunFlash on Feb 20, 15 12:51 PM
tramserran wrote:Somewhere I read that there is a thread to post when someone is starting an expedition and/or needs help at the last minute. Newbies don't know where that is! I found it once but it only had a post from June - nothing recent.


That thread is called "EXPEDITION HELP NEEDED - Post all requests here" and it's usually on the 1st or 2nd page of the ROM forum. The reason why you might not see recent posts on it is because you are supposed to delete your request for help after your expedition is finished. This is to keep it from becoming too full of messages and difficult for players to figure out who is currently asking for help.

 
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Re:Expedition Advice

[Post New]by Marjasinstar on Feb 20, 15 12:56 PM
tramserran wrote:Somewhere I read that there is a thread to post when someone is starting an expedition and/or needs help at the last minute. Newbies don't know where that is! I found it once but it only had a post from June - nothing recent.
Just an FYI...I don't generally jump to the Community page unless I am looking for something specifically. I'm not sure about others but perhaps a thread about expedition help isn't the best way to get help from your neighbors?
Thank You to all of my neighbors for making my journey on RoM so fabulous!
The thread is here: http://forums.bigfishgames.com/posts/list/276881.page
A few of us try to keep it on the first page.

I can't speak for everyone, but I do know that many players keep the forum (Community) page open and refer to it while playing the game. I found early on that it is the best way to stay current with the game and stay current with your fellow forum members. It is the best place to talk with other players (using the My Messages area) And also, the best place to find out if there is a new offer, a glitch in the game, if the site is down, if a neighbor is going to be absent, and if anyone is experiencing any problems or needs help with the game. The friends that I have made I have found through our conversations on the forum. I consider the forum an integral part of the game. I keep it open in a tab on my IE, right next to my game and constantly refer to it to see if anything new has popped up.

 
SunFlash
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Re:Expedition Advice

[Post New]by SunFlash on Mar 1, 15 5:28 PM
Bumping for new players.

Also, to say that there are many other threads about other aspects of expeditions that are well worth reading. They aren't hard to find. Just look through the first 10 pages of the forum.

All new players should read as much of the forum as possible to learn many aspects of the game that you will never figure out on your own or, even if you do, you'll wish you had known those things so much earlier.

Edited on 03/01/2015 at 7:18:41 PM PST


 
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Re:Expedition Advice

[Post New]by Chiroptera on Mar 3, 15 1:31 PM
My first post in a forum -for this game- ever and it will be here to say: Thank you guys for all this great advice! I've been feeling conflicted about the way I would hold my expedition. Normally, if I had the food I'd put it all in. I was usually in a hurry to make sure they would finish but then I got that paranoid thought: "What if I'm doing this too many times; other players have expeditions too that need to be finished and I need to help them as well," or -and this was actually some days ago during the previous event that went on- "These neighbors need the awards too, should I stop feeding and let them have a go?" So yeah, I feel really bad that I kept requesting for help too frequently as well as feeding them a lot of food with most satiety. Half the time they were failed expeditions. Excluding this whole situation, I'm a fairly quick learner. Again, thank you so much for the tips. It helps me a ton and now I finally know what I'm going to do for the next expedition! In addition: if any of my neighbors are reading this, my apologies for constantly asking for help!

 
 
 
 
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