Mystery Case Files: Dire Grove info and speculation!

Royalty is a direct reference to the ruling monarchy and immediate family. So, it would be the queen and king and their children and grandchildren, etc. Nobility is outside of royalty and they are titled, either by royalty for repayment/loyalty or inherited down through the generations. A noble could be related to royalty, but not considered royalty because the relationship is too distant. So the clue of "nobility" is purposeful. It is not someone on the throne or in line for the throne.

Hope this helps.

And firekat7, I'm gonna go with Dead is Really Eternal. But Charles didn't believe that, did he. Although, Deep in Rural England seems more applicable to this case. Aaargh, now I've got to think about this!

There may not be any new clues yet Still having fun, tho!
Like many, I check the thread daily for the newest speculations...
Loving reading where other fishies brains take them and really, really, really, really, (let me tell you how I feel!) bummed about the delayed release.

As somebody else mentioned ~ I like bugs! I could test it and won't get upset or angry or anything when there is never an acorn in the scene to find, or when I click to return to the map and the screen goes black or, or, or, whatever else might go wrong...

Purplerabbit wrote:No need to bump a stickied thread!

Thank you purple I feel stupid. You'll have to pardon my ignorance. I'm not very puter smart so you have to overlook me .
I'm loving the history lesson and watching you all try to piece it together.

Dalimar Is Radically Eccentric
December Is Release Event
Daily Irritating Ruminating Entries
Dead Is Really Eternal
Deep In Rural England
Dumb Investigative Report Eliciting

I don't know which of these is making me LOL harder.

maybe it is a Renaissance Fair closed for the winter

Would they do that so soon after G.H.O.S.T., ya think? That game was an interactive ren faire. If that HOG had had better graphix it would've been a stunner.

sign looks kind of like Stonehenge

Standing stones are often used as fictional devices in time-travel....the Outlander series by Diana Gabaldon leaps to mind. There must be a legend this is based on as it's used quite a bit. They've also been speculated to be calendars, burial grounds (I think they recently found some ancient cairns at Stonehenge), religious ritual places....imagine how one's heart would stop to see a Banshee come howling out from one of those! But there's claw marks in the snow & Banshees don't have them as far as I'm aware. I'm still thinking perhaps wolves/werewolves (vampires are just so Twilight lately LOL).

the crown that is mentioned in some earlier posts looks to me to be the Plantagenet crown

It does, it does! Which would fit in with Celtic crosses, but not if it's set past 1485. I would be all a-swoon to see MCF: Richard III LOL I don't think so, tho, as it's def a country house & not a castle. It wasn't until after the Wars of the Roses that unfortified manors began cropping up, there was too much warfare in England previously to leave your household undefended by walls etc....unless of course the walls aren't pictured but the style of the house just doesn't yell 1400s at me.

Congratulations, new Minnow Scarlet! Now, if we could only find a Tudor link to this whole mystery. tee hee

TYVM Pepper & that would be awesome after playing the JRM game....I'd swear that's a Tudor-era house at the very least. They had university in those days; in fact, it was Henry VI & Margaret of Anjou who founded Queens College at Cambridge. As long as the dons aren't wearing puffy pants like in TTOS & are accurately garbed, fine by me! Oooooooo.....maybe Dire Grove is part of a Tudor college? Maybe Henry VIII is polling the universities re: his divorce from Catherine of Aragon? Maybe those dastardly Spaniards are removing the one who'd vote in favor of it?

Hee hee hee. We could turn this game into anything with our very active imaginations and computer sleuthing skills.

I did some searches on various aspects of Pic's latest clue.

I found 10 Patricia Ls on a UPENN list of 20th century women writers. Here are some names and titles that were published in the 80s and have interesting possibilities for this game:

Patricia LaSoen - Lanschap met roze hoed

Patricia Lauber - Lost Star, Amelia Earhart. Tales Mummies Tell. What Big Teeth You have.

Patricia Lillie - One Very Very Quiet Afternoon

Patricia Louise Lowther - Final Instructions

Patricia Lynch - All the Brogeen stories (a leprechaun on various adventures). Tales of Irish Enchantment.

I looked on Wiki for 1895 and found an interesting tidbit. In County Tipperary in Ireland, oon March 15, 1895, Bridget Cleary was murdered by her husband who believed her to be a fairy changeling. He burned her alive! Changelings are believed to be fairies who have booted the person out of their body and taken over. They are bad juju. The are rock formations in Cromwell that are large round stones with a big hole in the middle (the four O's?). People used to pass their changeling children through the holes and this was supposed to rid the body of the fairy and bring back the real child. People would leave a symbol where the child sleeps to protect them, like an inverted coat or upside down scissors. So, it would cause a lot of problems if a curious investigator removed the item (Blair Witch similarity).

Another crooked path for us to wander down.

Everyone be sure to go to the Chit Chat post about Picman's fan club and add your adoring comments for our hero.

Maybe my eyes are going from all of this staring, but it looks like the top stone of "stonehenge" has something written on it. Zooming in just pixelates it. Anyone have a large screen and a magnifying glass?

Also, based on the banshee discussion, I have to wonder if it actually IS winter or if the banshee activity has made it so cold as to appear wintery.

I would be all a-swoon to see MCF: Richard III

OMG!!! That would be fantastic! As long as we all agree he didn't do it

Could it be a Golf/Sporting Range? Perhaps a shooting lodge?
Nobility would be the type to go there.

I know the forum has a 'no-linkage' policy, but does anyone have a video of the end of RtR. I know Picman said DG isn't about Victor, but there still might be some hints there.

There's a video 'mystery case files: Return ravenhearst walkthrough: chapter 25' on youtube but it's very jumpy and doesn't show all the dialogue.

Edit: Since this game seems to be connected more to madame fate, just like to let everyone know that there is a link to end of madame fate if you want to study that for hints...

I've forgotten what the clues are now. I'm new to all of this. Is there a way to quickly find the clues that Picman gave?

Am I correct in assuming these:

The original release date was deduced, but it was later changed.

A banshee clue leads us to Ireland.

A banshee foretells impending death or death of a loved one far away.

The setting is a house/resort that is closed for the season, we assume winter.

4 university students have gone missing, leaving backpacks behind.

Some sort of relic has surfaced.

Can some of you better than me, kind of encapsulate what we have assumed to be true so far? I think I've lost track somewhere.

picman050967 wrote:Also - My "Turkey Day" clue was disappointingly incorrect. There may be a beta or a special version available then but the game will be officially released in early December.

Picman

Darn ... was really looking forward to playing over the Thanksgiving holiday. But, I know it will be wonderful and the release date was pushed out for a good reason. And ... I'll be snapping it up the second it's released!!

zamud wrote:I've forgotten what the clues are now. I'm new to all of this. Is there a way to quickly find the clues that Picman gave?

Am I correct in assuming these:

The original release date was deduced, but it was later changed.

A banshee clue leads us to Ireland.

A banshee foretells impending death or death of a loved one far away.

The setting is a house/resort that is closed for the season, we assume winter.

4 university students have gone missing, leaving backpacks behind.

Some sort of relic has surfaced.

Can some of you better than me, kind of encapsulate what we have assumed to be true so far? I think I've lost track somewhere.

I think you have a good idea of what is going on. Only things I can add are

Banshees can make it cold.

Adventure takes place in the United Kingdom of Britain and Northern Ireland aka the UK where is anyone's guess

The relic idea is pure speculation due to the "audition" tapes - nothing has been confirmed. In fact any information gleaned from the audition tapes is pure speculation on our part. We don't even know if they are related to game save for the Dire Grove connection.

ETA You can see the clues on the MCF Detective Agency Facebook page. No need to join FB, just put the name of the page in the search engine. Prpldva has posted all of the clues.

Only clue we have not answered is

What do 1900's Russian circus
performers have to do with English nobility?... just kidding (or am
I???)

I found a message board that "is provided by the Circus Historical Society, Inc. for posting questions or conducting discussions regarding circus history"
As we can't post links, just google circus historical society.

Anyone feel like posting a question about the connection between the Russian circus and English nobility there? I'm too embarrassed to display my gaming obsession in public

good idea i'll do it.

still thing the russian circus clue means a dog (Golden Retriever)

Zamud there is also this message from Picman

Think The Shining meets Blaire Witch meets The Ring meets...well...Return to Ravenhearst.

he posted that right after demoing the game. It has also been listed as a clue.

We have also been speculating about that information.


ketorax Welcome to the Forums!
nice find

I hope you and lynne discover something.

There is a website called Circopedia that has in-depth histories of circuses from around the world. After reading through it extensively and finding no historical links to the clue, I've started to wonder if we're taking the hint too literal. Picman's clue said,

"What do 1900's Russian circus
performers have to do with English nobility?... just kidding (or am
I???)"

"Have to do with..." doesn't necessarily mean an historic link, does it?

What if there is a common link that's not historical? Like maybe something the Russian circus performers and English NOBILITY (feel better purplerabbit?) had in common, or maybe some sort of attribute(s)? He specifically says Russian circus performers - so Russian must be important (otherwise he would have just said "circus performers") as is the word performers (otherwise he would have just said "Russian circus"). Are there specialty acts that Russian circus performers were known for? In my reading it seems that horsemanship was a big emphasis in the early 1900's. But maybe others have some ideas?

Just my 2 cents worth...

EmmyJane I like the horse connection idea. Thanks for the website info, pretty cool.

There are some even more basic commonalities between English nobility and Russian Circus Performers:

They are humans with fancy pets
They tend to be isolated from the general population
They are admired
They like to do fun stuff in tents
Tthey are often very good-looking (like Picman)
They go to special schools
They learn fancy stuff with swords
They don't have to go to war because of their special status


Anyone else have any ideas about what they have in common?

Here is an excerpt about the history of Russian circus.."Circus was first introduced in Russia in 1793 by Charles Hughes of the Royal Circus of London. Established on a permanent basis in 1853, Russian circus was dominated by foreigners in the early years..."
I was thinking more along the lines of a small traveling circus with "animal" tamers crystal ball readers and side show people. Russian Gypsies who would have traveled through werewolf countries and then to the noble houses in the UK for entertainment of the rich and shameless. We still have to tie in Banshees, relics ( possibly the celtic cross with runes that could bring the dead back to life or protect from the risen dead) werewolves, students, and madame fate. Some of the pieces fit nicely and others not so much. Here's my attempt to tie it all up in a nice neat bow...

Nobility built a manor house on an ancient Druid site disturbing a very old relic. Naturally there was trouble and legends were born. In the 1900's a traveling circus came to entertain and a werewolf was added to the mix. Madame fate was with the circus as a very young child, and was told the truth about the legends by her grandmother who was a powerful psychic. Now four students go into the woods around the manor to get evidence of the legends and wind up missing. We the daring detectives must now go and find what happened to them and put things right with the relic.

I know, it's a big ol' steaming pile of hokey..but... it could happen..lol (or not )

Re:Hype, Hype, MCF6

[Post New]by prpldva on Dec 2, 08 8:20 AM
WOW- check this out..


On 14 May 1894, the Blackpool Tower Circus opened. The project was instigated by the Mayor of Blackpool, Sir John Bickerstaffe. The first foundation stone was laid on 25 September, 1891 with a time capsule underneath.

The only Russian connections I have found so far is that Ignacy Panderwski, a composer performed there. He was born in Kurylowka in the Russian Empire, which is now the Ukraine. In 1899 he married Baroness de Rosen.

I had found this last year.......when we still believed the Ravenhearst connection...