Ideas re: past CC's missed

 
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Ideas re: past CC's missed

[Post New]by silver_hawk on May 13, 17 8:17 AM
I have been trying to think of a way to be able to get past CC avatars that old players missed and new players should at least have an opportunity to get.

Something that doesn't impact players that have earned the avatars but also make it equally challenging to get them if you don't have them.

Here's a thought and I expect to see other forum members either improve on these ideas or come up with something even better altogether.

Craft Them. Have the avatars show up in the Crafting Lab (in a new tab). New ones to be added after a CC is over.

But... it still MUST be challenging to craft - equal to or greater in difficulty to the original CC.

An example.

Avatar X requirements
* 20 of each stamp
* 40 pet medallions
* 3 Crafted items (that lower level players at or around level 20 can craft i.e. Bemusing Potions, etc.)
* 30 items from a previous Holiday/Spring event
* 50 airship items of one type
* 20,000 coins

The idea is to make them accessible to ALL players but also not make it easy either.

Thoughts? Improvements? Better ideas? Anyone?

What do you all think?

ETA
Never mind. The whole topic seems to be making players upset and that was NOT the intention. Forget the whole idea. It's not worth causing problems between friends.


Edited on 05/14/2017 at 5:53:19 PM PST


 

Re:Ideas for the dev's re: past CC's missed

[Post New]by Sharp_Eye574363 on May 13, 17 8:34 AM
Hi Silverhawk--I like your idea a lot! Also, the suggested requirements to get past avatars seems fair IMHO. Kudos for coming up with an idea that I think is fair to both the players and the Devs!


 
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Re:Ideas for the dev's re: past CC's missed

[Post New]by Llamamama15 on May 13, 17 9:33 AM
I only did as far as the first avatar in the first CC as I was too low on time/resources to continue but personally I wouldn't bother to craft them as they are only ornament and I now have over 50 to choose from.

 

Re:Ideas for the dev's re: past CC's missed

[Post New]by GoMinnesotaWild on May 13, 17 9:47 AM
Just curious - what if a person doesn't have any "holiday event" items? Not everyone keeps them on hand after an event is over and anyone who started this game when there was no event going on would have to depend on friends or the consortium to get them - that could take a long time (especially since there are no events between Spring and Fall/Winter).

Same with pet medallions - you would have play a lot of Daily Quests to get those
(if I remember right?)

I do like your idea - these were just 2 things that popped into my head right away from experience. Thanks

 
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Re:Ideas for the dev's re: past CC's missed

[Post New]by TiramaSue on May 13, 17 10:08 AM
Thoughts?

It's impossible to exactly duplicate the effort put forth during the challenge. Some tasks just don't translate well into tangible items to surrender. And there's no way to duplicate the time constraint and the fact that you had to complete things in the exact order they unlocked.

If the devs adopted such a scheme, dollars to donuts that it wouldn't take long before somebody started crying that it was too hard and the devs dumbed it down, making those who completed it when it was first offered feel doubly aggrieved.

I think those of us at max are just going to have to get used to the idea that new players are going to want everything we have, that they are going to want it immediately, and that the developers will continue to cater to their wants at the expense of ours.

That being the case, I would rather see a challenge rerun with 'nothing in it for me' and just sit it out than watch people easily earn what I had to give blood, sweat and tears to get.

It's already possible to complete some Spring, Fall, and Winter event achievements without even playing in them, which to me is just mind-boggling, but it is what it is.

There's no way to be 'fair' to everybody and I'm pretty sure which group is going to end up with the short stick: those of us, who, for example, spent 50,000 coins to craft a Pegasus back in the days when their weren't that many pets to be had.

Edited on 05/13/2017 at 10:34:12 AM PST


 
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Re:Ideas for the dev's re: past CC's missed

[Post New]by silver_hawk on May 13, 17 10:22 AM
GoMinnesotaWild you make some very good points. Thank you for bringing that up to allow me to clarify my thought process.

Here was my thought when I added that suggestion...

MC is a long term game that most players would be around for the upcoming Holidays/events anyway. Should the dev's decide to rerun past Castle Challenges again you would still have to stick around and wait for those whenever they are rerun.

If you're collecting pets and missed some holiday/events you'd be around again to get those anyway so you can collect for the pets and the missed CC avatars at the same time.

Yes, some avatars would require waiting until the holiday/event items required for crafting could be earned. Just like you would for pets that were missed.

I don't know if my idea is good or bad but it's a starting point for improvements or a better idea to be offered. Whatever it may be it must be challenging and fair for all. Ideally it would have to be something that would make a player prefer to participate in the Castle Challenges, but at least offer an alternative for those that for some reason or another can't finish one or missed one entirely and still want a particular avatar.


 
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Re:Ideas for the dev's re: past CC's missed

[Post New]by silver_hawk on May 13, 17 10:30 AM
I totally agree with you TiramaSue. You're spot on.

I do think that players should be able to get past CC avatars. Unless it's a rerun of a Castle Challenge which already seems unpalatable for players that have already done them, I think that acquiring them should be made difficult and expensive yet attainable.

The object is to make the CC's the preferred method of acquiring them and not making the crafting (or other idea) be the easy way out.

There has got to be a way. There may not be. But it's worth brainstorming.

 
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Re:Ideas for the dev's re: past CC's missed

[Post New]by TiramaSue on May 13, 17 11:18 AM
Well, if the developers could find a way to include on the avatar the number of times it's been won, that might be a solution.

ETA: And I'm referring to the avatar that everybody sees in the social page, not the huge avatar that we can see on our achievement page.

Though I wish what we see on our achievement page would also be what we see on the social page.

Edited on 05/13/2017 at 11:21:29 AM PST


 
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Re:Ideas for the dev's re: past CC's missed

[Post New]by TiramaSue on May 13, 17 11:43 AM
Here's what had to be done to win each avatar, in case anybody wants to compare them with silver hawk's proposed crafting scheme. Keep in mind that with a CC, there's no option of winning just the 2nd or 3rd avatar.

1st challenge

1) Complete 5 Zoom Zones in 30 minutes
2) Feed pets with 30 bags of food
3) Pack 12 crates for airships
4) Get 1000 coins in 4 hours
5) Beat Anabel at dice 3 times
6) Complete 5 part Daily Quest
7) Collect 50 morphing objects in 60 minutes
8) Send 3 airships
9) Earn 600 coins by collecting morphing objects
10) Get 1 diamond from the Fortune Wheel
Prize = Vampiress avatar

11) Get 5 Plain Stamps
12) Help friends 5 times
13) Complete 10 Zoom Zones
14) Get 5 Gold Chests from feeding pets
15) Beat the Wise Dragon at dice 3 times
16) Examine hidden object scenes 20 times in 30 minutes
17) Craft 15 items in 30 minutes
18) Use 70 hints while examining hidden object scenes
19) Feed pets 8 times
20) Get 3 Rare Stamps
Reward = Vampire avatar

21) Earn 2000 coins playing dice
22) Get 5 iron chests from feeding pets
23) Receive 300 wheels for sending airships
24) Complete 5 Daily Quests
25) Get 15 items from Fortune Wheel
26) Examine hidden object scenes 100 times
27) Collect 200 airship items
28) Get 30 pet medallions in 24 hours
29) Craft 10 items
30) Get 5 Unusual Stamps
Reward = Centaur avatar


2nd challenge

1. Examine hidden object scenes 20 times
2. Use 20 items in zoom zones
3. Earn 400 coins collecting morphs
4. Feed pets 5 times
5. Beat Lord Chamberlain at dice 3 times
6. Get 5 Wooden Chests from feeding pets
7. Help friends 5 times
8. Complete 3 parts of daily quests
9. Get 1 star from the fortune wheel
10. Pack 9 crates for airships
Reward Geisha avatar

11. Examine hidden object scenes 100 times
12. Get 10 items from the fortune wheel
13. Get 5 Unusual Stamps
14. Craft 20 items
15. Get 4000 coins in 4 hours
16. Use 30 items in zoom zones
17. Collect 100 airship items
18. Earn 2000 coins playing dice
19. Collect 200 morphing objects in 2 hours
20. Get 50 pet medallions
Reward Samurai avatar

21. Feed pets with 40 bags of food
22. Send 6 airships
23. Beat the Iron Knight at dice 3 times
24. Complete 10 Zoom Zones
25. Craft 10 items in 30 minutes
26. Complete 10 parts of daily quests
27. Receive 300 wheels for sending airships
28. Use 100 hints while examining hidden object scenes
29. Get 2 Unique Stamps
30. Get 3 silver chests
Reward Mermaid avatar

 
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Re:Ideas for the dev's re: past CC's missed

[Post New]by TiramaSue on May 13, 17 11:52 AM
3rd challenge

1 - Feed pets 5 times
2 - Beat Innkeeper 'Salty' Took at dice 3 times
3 - Examine hidden object scenes 20 times in 30 minutes
4 - Earn 500 coins by sending airships
5 - Get 15 items from the Fortune Wheel
6 - Craft 20 items
7 - Get 2 iron chests from feeding pets
8 - Use 50 items in zoom zones in 24 hours
9 - Collect 100 morphing objects
10- Get 5 Rare Stamps
earn Cowgirl avatar

11 - Pack 12 crates for airships
12 - Use 50 hints while examining hidden object scenes
13 - Complete 10 Zoom Zones in 30 minutes
14 - Complete 5 parts of daily quests
15 - Help friends 5 times
16 - Earn 2000 coins playing dice
17 - Get 10 Plain Stamps
18 - Craft 15 items in 30 minutes
19 - Get 1 diamond from the Fortune Wheel
20 - Complete 7 parts of daily quests
earn Cowboy avatar

21 - Examine hidden object scenes 80 times
22 - Feed pets with 40 bags of food
23 - Craft 15 items
24 - Collect 50 airship items
25 - Send 4 airships
26 - Get 5 Gold Chests from feeding pets
27 - Get 30 pet medallions in 24 hours
28 - Beat Mountain Troll 'Rustle' at dice 3 times
29 - Collect 200 morphing objects
30 - Complete 4 parts of daily quests
earn Count Incognito avatar


4th challenge:

1 - Get 7 of the Black Candy
2 - Send 2 packed airships
3 - Make 14 trades with Trick-or-Treaters
4 - Open 20 zoom zones
5 - Get 15 Pumpkins
6 - Examine hidden object scenes 50 times
7 - Help friends 5 times
8 - Get 3 Gold Chests from feeding pets
9 - Catch 5 Green Ghosts
10 - Collect 100 airship items from hidden object scenes
avatar - Fortune Teller

11 - Get 10 Ghost Traps
12 - Get 15 of the Dreadful Ginger
13 - Complete 2 Daily Quests
14 - Catch 10 Red Ghosts
15 - Collect 70 morphing pumpkins
16 - Beat Anabel at dice 3 times
17 - Use 50 items in zoom zones
18 - Get 5 Unique Stamps
19 - Get 30 of the Gummy Eyeballs
20 - Get 3 Silver Chests from feeding pets
avatar - Fakir

21 - Catch 15 Blue Ghosts
22 - Get 1 star from the fortune wheel
23 - Craft 20 items
24 - Beat the Wise Dragon at dice 3 times
25 - Help friends 10 times
26 - Get 15 Ghost Traps
27 - Receive 300 wheels for sending airships
28 - Catch any 20 Ghosts
29 - Complete 5 Daily Quests
30 - Feed Pet 5 times
avatar - Madam Masquerade


 
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Re:Ideas for the dev's re: past CC's missed

[Post New]by silver_hawk on May 13, 17 11:57 AM
OH that's AWESOME TiramaSue. Thanks for that information.

It does two things:

A. Puts things in perspective relative to what was required.

B. Gives me some ideas to work out that may come up with a reasonable alternative that could be comparable.

I'll have to mull it over and do some constructive/creative thinking. First, my original sample should require more medallions and airship items .

 
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Re:Ideas for the dev's re: past CC's missed

[Post New]by TiramaSue on May 13, 17 12:01 PM
5th challenge:

1. Get 5 of the holiday wand
2. Get 6 of the Christmas Lights
3. Complete 3 Daily Quests
4. Collect 5 Gold Globes
5. Collect 100 morphing snowflakes
6. Beat Lord Chamberlain at dice 3 times
7. Use 30 items in zoom zones in 60 minutes
8. Get 5 Rare Stamps
9. Get 8 of the Festive Garland
10. Get 3 Iron Chests from feeding pets
avatar - Hairy, Scary Bigfoot

11. Collect 10 Silver Globes
12. Earn 900 coins by sending airships
13. Make 15 trades with children
14. Get 10 of the Fir Cone
15. Get 5 Snowflakes
16. Craft 20 items
17. Get 3 of the Santa Medallions
18. Use 50 hints while examining hidden object scenes
19. Collect 15 Bronze Globes
20. Pack 12 crates for airships
avatar - Frosted Gingerbread Man

21. Get 12 of the Christmas Star
22. Get 8 items from the Fortune Wheel
23. Make 10 trades with children
24. Earn 1000 coins playing dice
25. Get 5 of the Santa Medallions
26. Get 8 of the Holiday Wand
27. Collect 80 morphing snowflakes
28. Collect any 30 snowglobes
29. Complete 2 Daily Quests
30. Feed pets with 15 bags of food
avatar - Christmas Angel


6th challenge:

1. Get 5 of the fireflower
2. Complete 2 daily quests
3. Use 50 hints while examining hidden object scenes
4. Get 5 smiles
5. Get 7 of the chocolate
6. Collect any 10 Ladies enchanted eggs
7. Examine Spring Terrace hidden object scenes 10 times
8. Beat the Iron Knight at dice 3 times
9. Send 3 packed airships
10. Open 12 zoom zones
avatar - Cat Lover

11. Craft 1 spring cake
12. Get 5 of the snowdrop
13. Get 10 carrots
14. Get 4 gold chests from feeding pets
15. Use 30 items in zoom zones
16. Collect any 15 Creatures enchanted eggs
17. Make 8 trades with the children
18. Get 10 of the jelly candies
19. Pack 12 crates for airships
20. Complete 3 daily quests
avatar - dog lover


21. Get 5 plain stamps
22. Get 10 of the nuts
23. Collect 150 morphing eggs
24. Craft 15 items
25. Make 15 trades with the children
26. Feed Spring Event pets 3 times
27. Beat Mountain Troll 'Rustle' at dice 5 times
28. Collect any 20 Lords enchanted eggs
29. Craft 3 of the wreath of spring
30. Get 12 of the iris
avatar - Tiger Tamer



 
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Re:Ideas for the dev's re: past CC's missed

[Post New]by TiramaSue on May 13, 17 12:03 PM
silver_hawk wrote:OH that's AWESOME TiramaSue. Thanks for that information.

It does two things:

A. Puts things in perspective relative to what was required.

B. Gives me some ideas to work out that may come up with a reasonable alternative that could be comparable.

I'll have to mull it over and do some constructive/creative thinking. First, my original sample should require more medallions and airship items .


I would also suggest that the second avatar from a challenge not be unlocked until the 1st one has been acquired, and the 3rd not unlock before the 2nd one has been acquired.

 
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Re:Ideas for the dev's re: past CC's missed

[Post New]by silver_hawk on May 13, 17 12:15 PM
TiramaSue wrote:

I would also suggest that the second avatar from a challenge not be unlocked until the 1st one has been acquired, and the 3rd not unlock before the 2nd one has been acquired.


Excellent suggestion and totally reasonable.

 

Re:Ideas for the dev's re: past CC's missed

[Post New]by JannaMcCastles on May 13, 17 1:03 PM
What about to do a complete rerun,
the same avatars in the same order are offered,
BUT
for those who want to do that challenge a 2nd time
and do have that avatar can choose a box of goodies.
Like for 1st avatar:
1 of each stamp+ 1of each food+ 1000 coins+ 5 diamants

2nd avatar:
2 of each stamps+ 2of each food+ 2000 coins+ 10 diamants

3rd avatar:
3 of each stamps+ 3of each food+ 5000 coins+ 20 diamants+
50 energyballs

 
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Re:Ideas for the dev's re: past CC's missed

[Post New]by TiramaSue on May 13, 17 1:39 PM
JannaMcCastles wrote:What about to do a complete rerun,
the same avatars in the same order are offered,
BUT
for those who want to do that challenge a 2nd time
and do have that avatar can choose a box of goodies.
Like for 1st avatar:
1 of each stamp+ 1of each food+ 1000 coins+ 5 diamants

2nd avatar:
2 of each stamps+ 2of each food+ 2000 coins+ 10 diamants

3rd avatar:
3 of each stamps+ 3of each food+ 5000 coins+ 20 diamants+
50 energyballs



I'm probably crazy because I've completed every one of these things just for the glory and the avatars, but I don't think even 50 energy balls is enough of a reward to tempt me to part with 1,000 or more airship items. Coins, stamps, food, I've got more than enough. And I can earn a heck of a lot more diamonds playing guess which hand for 30 days.

We will know soon enough just what, if anything, the developers plan to do about missed avatars. We're only a little over a month away from the one year anniversary of the start of the first challenge.



 

Re:Ideas for the dev's re: past CC's missed

[Post New]by GulfCoastGuppy on May 13, 17 1:56 PM
Would it be reasonable to have a 30-day rerun challenge then immediately go into a new original challenge? New players get the same experience and expense, those that missed the 2nd or 3rd avatar should be able to wait for the correct day and pick up where they left off (or at least begin on Day 11 or 21), and the rest could be anticipating the new challenge.

 
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Re:Ideas for the dev's re: past CC's missed

[Post New]by TiramaSue on May 13, 17 3:58 PM
GulfCoastGuppy wrote:Would it be reasonable to have a 30-day rerun challenge then immediately go into a new original challenge? New players get the same experience and expense, those that missed the 2nd or 3rd avatar should be able to wait for the correct day and pick up where they left off (or at least begin on Day 11 or 21), and the rest could be anticipating the new challenge.


There weren't 30 days between some of the challenges. Also, how can you rerun a holiday challenge without the holiday event running concurrently?

As for being able to pick up where they left off or on day 11 or day 21, a resounding NO! Part of the difficulty of a challenge is completing ALL of it in 30 days.

Rerunning a challenge sounds reasonable until you look ahead to the year after. Then what? There will always be somebody who hasn't got the avatar but who wants it.


 
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Re:Ideas for the dev's re: past CC's missed

[Post New]by TiramaSue on May 13, 17 4:16 PM
Another thought.

Mobile device players were given an opportunity to earn an avatar (I think it was a Robin Hood?) by accessing their games via Facebook. I believe that option was discontinued. And PC players were never given that opportunity.

So there is a precedent for an avatar not being made available to everybody.

 
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Re:Ideas for the dev's re: past CC's missed

[Post New]by c0c0_nuts on May 13, 17 6:12 PM
The developers could create a castle challenge with options.

With a new castle challenge, they could offer players a chance to win the current avatar and a past avatar.

For example, for the first 10 days of a challenge, if a player completes double of each task, they would earn the first current avatar and a first past avatar of their choice.

For the next set of 10 days (11-20), if a player completes double of each task, they would earn the 2nd current avatar and a 2nd past avatar of their choice, etc.



 
 
 
 
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